Curse

Puritans Aid · Jan 11, 2008, 10:00 AM // 10:00

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Originally Posted by Shanaeri Rynale

The fake town was not a test area, but an internal staging post the game uses on it's way to porting people to Mallyx. It could'nt be removed as it's integral to the way DoA works(as tempting as it sounds to remove doa tho)..

ter...

This hidden outpost existed strictly for testing purposes and was never accessible through normal play.

gayle gray said that in a post on wiki

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Gaile_News
if its not a test area, and is used how u said, why did she say this? You guys contradict yourselves time and time again. It makes me worried.

turin9 · Jan 11, 2008, 10:03 AM // 10:03

I was banned, it sucks. I didn't hack shyt, i just joined a grp to HB Monk after doing all 4 quests. They had lost their monk and needed a new one. they took me to the guild hall and then we ported there.

b4 going in i asked what the place was, and was told it was a training ground that devs used for mallyx. When i asked how we gained access to it the leader said he had pugged with a grp to do mallyx the night b4, and the leader told the grp that he was a GM and they were going to take a shortcut. When he ported them to Mallyx's crib and they run it a few times.

so we did the same.

I own a mule account as well and it was banned too, and it never did mallyx, hasn't even beaten NF.

over 26 months on my primary account.
im a lil perturbed

Puritans Aid · Jan 11, 2008, 10:05 AM // 10:05

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Originally Posted by Onyx Blindbow

There is 1 questline with 4 sub-quests and the ending of ebony citadel (i.e kill a boss in each of the 4 areas then go and kill mallyx)

unless you are quadrunning ursanway then they are treated as 4 individual quest, noted by ppl spamming "lfg gloom, lfg city, lfg foundry, lfg veil"

that is why people are saying 4 quests.

OK. I came in to DOA and was taught to do it this way, not know it was wrong, not knowing that this was the way of things.

Fact is its 1 quest, with 5 parts. They are not sub quests, they ar enot seperate quests, they are simply PARTS of 1 quest. I did those parts, and was doing the last part. I had NO idea that this wasnt how it was made ot be.

After reading wiki, and here, over 600 pages, I now know i was a complete noob to not see that this wasnt how it is normally done.

I was stupid.

However, its 1 quest regardless. and I did do the 4 previous parts.

I understand its 4 bosses, 4 areas, and they are done seperate, but theres many quests that the parts are done seperately, and alot of them have been glitched to let u do the last part on its own before, and no one was banned for that.

However, I understand now, and was a complete noob.

Shanaeri Rynale · Jan 11, 2008, 10:06 AM // 10:06

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Originally Posted by Puritans Aid

ter...

This hidden outpost existed strictly for testing purposes and was never accessible through normal play.

gayle gray said that in a post on wiki

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Gaile_News
if its not a test area, and is used how u said, why did she say this? You guys contradict yourselves time and time again. It makes me worried.

Look at post 352 http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...&postcount=352

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The existence of the outpost -- in hidden form -- is required to offer the Domain of Anguish. This was not a "test" and the outpost absolutely could not be "deleted when we were finished with 'testing" or "saved on some storage device." So as directly as I can say it to those offering unfounded opinions: Deleting the outpost disables the entire Domain of Anguish mission. Therefore, let's be fair and not blame ArenaNet because someone hacked his client!

Puritans Aid · Jan 11, 2008, 10:15 AM // 10:15

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Originally Posted by Shanaeri Rynale

Look at post 352 http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...&postcount=352

I have 2 problems with this reply. A I did read that forum, and I understand why/that they cant take it out of the game without taking out doa. I also understand that they contradict themselves 12 times in that one post. They said even in this sentence, its not a test town, but we used it for testing, IE it is a test town. Try to make sense once in a while ppl!. ITS a test town ok, yes its fundamental for your programing or whatever, its still a test town.

plus, gayle gray herself said its a test town, said it isnt, then said it is. what sense does it make.

Shanaeri Rynale · Jan 11, 2008, 10:18 AM // 10:18

Maybe it serves two puposes. it's there for testing and it's also required for the DoA to work. It'd make sense to program it that way. Anyway we digress.

Puritans Aid · Jan 11, 2008, 10:23 AM // 10:23

yes, true true, my point is everything they say is confusing and 3 sided. You cant get a straight answer from A net it seems. the answers you do get confuse you more than you were at first ! lol I like a net. I think they are fair and try their best. Its a fun game, or I wouldnt care. I just want my account back. I feel cheeted. A by some hacker, *B by anet C by my own stupidity for not realizing it was wrong and /reporting. But oh well Im off to sleep. I will dream for a better day tomorrow when I get unbanned and everyone pms me that im a stupid noob, *sigh*

TY for all the good input, I hope the hacker is caught and perm ban ip range.. er that might be a bit extremem but ya
Puritan

Longasc · Jan 11, 2008, 10:39 AM // 10:39

Interesting to see that all the exploiters are greedy whiners that just want their account back.

Very interesting arguments:
We were too dumb to realize that this was wrong.
Many were unsuspecting innocents.

This is really grabbing after the last straw, even if it is totally useless...^^

Arduin · Jan 11, 2008, 10:55 AM // 10:55

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Originally Posted by RhanoctJocosa

Did it even occur to you that a player could have been forced to go there? And that even if they left right away knowing that it was wrong are probably banned?

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

No one was banned for visiting the hidden outpost once. No one was banned even for going there a few times.
No one was banned for entering the mission, killing Mallyx, and taking the loot, even if they did that a few times.
In fact, the bar was set higher than a one-time or even few-time occurrence, as the Dev Update states, to avoid banning someone who was pulled there inadvertently or to avoid banning someone who might have thought he was helping by "testing" the exploit.

Only when you've entered more than a few times you'll get banned.

RhanoctJocosa · Jan 11, 2008, 11:10 AM // 11:10

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Originally Posted by Uber Mass

Forced to go there now thats a hoot.....

And if im correct noone is banned for doing this once..

Well apparently that's not the case. And no it isn't a hoot, lots of people could've been "forced" to go if they weren't party leader. Also, think about how many younger players could've been pulled into this? They haven't really done anything wrong besides being a little ignorant. You can't defend ANet on this- as usual, they've fkd up.

Uber Mass · Jan 11, 2008, 11:16 AM // 11:16

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Originally Posted by RhanoctJocosa

Well apparently that's not the case. And no it isn't a hoot, lots of people could've been "forced" to go if they weren't party leader. Also, think about how many younger players could've been pulled into this? They haven't really done anything wrong besides being a little ignorant. You can't defend ANet on this- as usual, they've fkd up.

If you are pulled in once you shouldnt be banned... If you got banned for doing this once and you state a normal friendly ticket to support im positive they look into that.

And i dont say Anet dont make mistakes. But if you used this exploit several times you are guilty and yes you earn a ban.

Lady Ana Stacia · Jan 11, 2008, 11:16 AM // 11:16

I'm sorry but I have to agree with Anet on this one. The people banned for the most part all should have known this was an exploit.

To the poster who got banned after reporting the exploit I am sure you will get your account back as anet has done in the past for people wrongly banned. For those who chose to keep abusing the exploit/hack you made your bed now lie in it.

Davros Uitar · Jan 11, 2008, 11:17 AM // 11:17

Good - you caught em - banned em - makes me happy

.

But ............

Perma ban for all is not making the punishment fit the crime. I would suggest a sliding scale type ban that at least leaves people a "back in" clause (well...... except the hackers - I would wish for some way to prosecute them through the legal system so that people get a sense of the serious effects that hacking has to gaming communities).

So apart from the hackers I would suggest a sliding scale something along the lines of :
1) for every 2 runs the people did they get a 1 week ban (ie 20 runs = 10 weeks etc).
2) All gemsets, armbraces and tormented weapons in client and linked accounts are forfieted.

That seems to me a better way to make the crime fit the punishment. If someone did 100 runs then kiss a year goodbye and go play WOW. If you were "unlucky enough" to do 6 runs (ie one more than what sounds to be the perma ban limit) then you would cop a 3 week sabbatical. I suggest simply because the punishment for that one extra run is not consistent.

You have a rather large amount of suddenly contrite and banned people who want a way to get back into the game (no - not me - never even done DOA).

ANET options seem to be to make the perma bans stick, or fold and let them back in with some form of formula. I say don't hide away that formula and let us see people slowly reappearing. Instead advertise the punishment formula and let people see what consequences this sort of behaviour attracts.

Just my 2 cents.

Oh and to the guy that raged about wanting to angrily look up (visit) the person that reported this all needs to be a bit mature. All schemes like this fail and die in the end because the lure of the phat lewt slowly involves more and more people. Someone would have leaked it sooner or later, and you would have been left with less and less guildies the longer it took. Think its about time you accepted they done wrong and got caught with the hands in the cookie jar.

Angelic Upstart · Jan 11, 2008, 11:21 AM // 11:21

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Originally Posted by Rexion

They are banning people for something that they left open.

The hidden outpost was still open when they were done testing. If they were actually using the right-mind, they should have closed it and/or deleted it.

In my humble opinion, every game will have people that find an exploit and feed off of it for personal benefit. This is no different than people ferrying, but they don't get banned.
ANet bans the few people that used this outpost, but still let the ferriers thrive, when it has been going on for months now.

As I said before, every game will have those that exploit and hack. It is unstoppable.

With all do respect, you might not agree with me, but I say it is ANet's fault 100%, not the people that just happened to find this.

The outpost was only able to be found by using a third party clinet hack. nothing else...tough shit. it is the people who hacked it or knowlingly used it with a party leader who had done so,it is a true and just reponse from Anet 100%.
What you fail to understand is that players could not jst happen upon this outpost, it had to be enabled with a hack of the DAT file.
Good riddance to bad rubbish...

DragonRogue · Jan 11, 2008, 11:21 AM // 11:21

Dear Ms Grey and all GW community members,

I am one of the Scarlet Letter Branded "117". I couldn’t tell you what a dat file is to save my life, let alone know how to write a program to hack one. Believe me or not. Many of us really didn’t think this was an exploit of this magnitude. I personally didn’t really think about it much. Like many of the other elite mishs in the game, Sorrows Furnace has 4 prequel quests but the last Final Assault is repeatable forever after. Duncan at one time was by-passable for days. And the ferry system used for me to this outpost worked EXACTLY like Urgoz and the Deep. I had never done DOA before I started doing this run. We did have to beat the 4 quests leading up to Mallyx and had to beat Mallyx the old fashioned way FIRST. Did we think the town a bit odd? Yup. Sure did. But once you enter and there is a start mission button and countdown timer to mission start, we didn’t really think much about it. Since all of the elite missions had aspects of this in one way or another one could easily look over the oddities when there were so many similarities.

With that said, we have witnessed many glitches exploited in the game by thousands of players. Duncan ferry anyone? I personally know people who made upwards of 500k in a day of doing this, not to mention those that actually did the runs over and over again to gain rare weapons, onyx, diamonds and armour of Deldrimore by scores. Did we see permanent bans for anyone ever? How about the Heart of the Shiverpeaks Dwarf-Bombing runs in under 5 minutes for days on end spammed in Party searches? How did that effect our economy with onyx, diamonds, rare skins and greens which dropped prices in a matter of hours? Who got permanently banned for that? Many of the 117 honestly didn’t think they were doing much different than that. Are we guilty of exploiting a glitch? Yup. Im the first one to admit that. How many thousands of you are guilty of it at one time or another? Did some of us seriously over-farm Mallyx? Yup. But should the ones who farmed it only for one Armbrace to buy a much wanted weapon or mini Mallyx deserve the same punishment as those who grossly over farmed it? Should it be different than those buying GW gold on eBay? I know for a fact that buying 1million gold from sites like those only warrants a 72 hour ban and you don’t even have to give it up afterward. What about dishonorable marks for the 20th time? Using racist and homophobic comments in Local Chat? Knowingly naming your toon some bad name? Has anyone ever heard of a permanent ban for any of this? We aren’t saying that we aren’t guilty of exploiting a glitch. But we are NOT guilty of Hacking. Someone might be. But all of us? Come show me that proof Ms Grey. (I live in Seattle and we can meet for coffee) Where is the sliding scale justice anywhere here for a punishment to fit the crime? Where is the equal justices ranked with the rest?

So for my part in all of this. I farmed Mallyx because I wanted enough gems for one armbrace so in turn I could buy a mini Mallyx. I, you see, am a mini pet collector. The temptation to get one easier was my weakness. Agreed. I got my 14 needed gemsets doing that run but honestly after that I just wanted a full set of his greens for my personal collection. I had no interest in profit on a grand scale. Until now I have made the hard grind for every item I’ve ever gained. I don’t like to trade, buy or sell. Takes up too much time from my playing. Look at the 23 mules on my account full of golds and greens and you will see how little I like trade chat. So please don’t accuse me of affecting the economy on a grand scale. With all the other glitches that have happened, my 14 gemsets traded for a mini pet were a pittance in comparison. I am guilty of exploiting a glitch, AGREED. But the same punishment as the ones who got 30 armbraces? I think its harsh, but then I don’t make the rules here. And, to me, it seems your company makes them up as they go. Id rather have been stripped of every item I had and all of my gold to have kept the 4k hours of title busting I have done. But too late now I guess. Not that I wouldn’t do anything to gain my account back, but really sit down with your crew and decide if the ban for ALL 117 was fair and equal. I did probably 20 runs which is more than a few, but others I know did much less and have been treated the same. I say really unfair. This is going to affect much more than the economy, you have taken the heart out of this game with your discrepancies in fair treatment.

Many of you are spouting off like you KNOW what you are talking about but in reality, only 117 of us REALLY know. Opinions are great, but before you open your mouth accusing us all of being hackers, you should know some of us. Half the time I cant even figure out how to run my Vent. As for the comments about finding "better friends" I think that an uncalled-for comment no matter my crime. I honestly believe that most of the "117" are very amazing people and I have been PROUD to call many of them friend. Most of them have always given time, effort, items and even gold to aid a fellow mate or total stranger. Seems to me more can be said for them than most of you posting at the moment. Don’t belittle the posts of friends coming to support our cause. As humans you know loyalty in the face of critisizm of this magnitude is hard to come by and not easily won. For these people to stand up for us, instead of turning their backs and joining the hoards of you throwing stones at us, is what true friendship is all about and you could all stand to learn a valuable lesson from them. We made a mistake, an err in judgment, some of us way more so than others, agreed. How totally human is that? So sit on your high and mighty horse and criticize, ridicule and hate and decide honestly if you think you are without flaws ever. And then live with the lies you tell yourself if it makes you able to sleep better at night.

To the other 115, you are what made this game great for me. Some of our friendships will be here for life. Don’t let what is said in this forum get you down. We are human, we made a mistake, and now we can never prove who we really are for the ban or make amends… but I know most of you are great. For the hacker… if there really was one…GG with as much sarcasm as can be typed. To Ms Grey and your staff... thanks for creating a game where I met such wonderful friends.

Sjeng · Jan 11, 2008, 11:25 AM // 11:25

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Originally Posted by manitoba1073

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sol Deathgard

I really get sick of hearing this all the time. I make about 25-50k a day & only farm for about 1 or 2 hours. I don't get uber rare drops that I can sell for 1mil gold either. Rest of the time I'm actually playing the game. Try it, you might find you can make money.

Please post how you do it in such a short time as I know several people that would love to hear how, plus then you'd stop hearring all the QQ about not makeing money from ppl in game. I want to hear this.

QFT. Please let me know how I can make money that fast. Anet already nerfed all my old farming spots (griffins, trolls, vermin, loot scaling...)

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Originally Posted by Puritans Aid

ugh, are you kdding me? I have stated I could make 60k an hour, and you didnt message me this...
look on guru forums for 600 monk guide. Apply to 2 man FOW runs. Make 2 to 10 shards a run, 2 or 3 gold chaos axes, 5k in gold + whites, and a nice sheild or 2 or fell blade, or shadow blade, gold shadow bows... etc etc etc..
its very very easy.

bolded for BS.
It's easy for people who do it all the time, it's not easy to people who barely have time to play 1 hour a day, let alone do lots of farming. You don't get that many shards, and they're 2k each, and the golds you get have crappy stats, or are non max dmg. I've had about 10 chaos axes in 2.5 years of playing from drops in FoW, NONE of them were good. All merchant food. Never ever gotten a fellblade or shadowbow, let alone one worth selling. And the gold from whites etc yields 2k max. You might make 10k an hour this way.
60k an hour I'd like to see.

Master Knightfall · Jan 11, 2008, 11:25 AM // 11:25

Of course the guilty are going to claim they were taken there without knowing it. Don't you know all criminals lie out their teeth? I say birds of a feather flock together. If you got taken some place without wanting to go all you had to do was get out of the group and port yourself back out. Nobody forced you to fight Maylax and take his loot yah did that all on yer own. But, now yah got caught doin it and now you are QQing how you are innocent. lol I've seen too many criminals in my life time not to know that ole rue.

THis is the funny part from one of them

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Many of us really didn’t think this was an exploit of this magnitude.

Notice how he wants to justify the EXPLOIT and even admits he knew it was an exploit, but, that it was a MINOR infraction of an EXPLOIT and thus he shouldn't be one of the banned. hahahahah An exploit is an exploit as I said in the other thread pal and there is no such thing as a minor or major. You broke the rules you exploited a feature and you're going to pay for it as you should. Maybe in your next mmo or mmorpg you'll think twice about doing something you know or even think might be an exploit of any calibur.

Uber Mass · Jan 11, 2008, 11:30 AM // 11:30

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Originally Posted by RhanoctJocosa

ANet are terrible with their banning and support system. I don't believe the bug was caused by hacking the client, it was most likely just a glitch that ANet never picked up on. As such, they are in no place to be banning people.

Glitches are known to be there in every game. That doesnt give you the right to abuse glitches to your own benefit.

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So for my part in all of this. I farmed Mallyx because I wanted enough gems for one armbrace so in turn I could buy a mini Mallyx. I, you see, am a mini pet collector. The temptation to get one easier was my weakness. Agreed. I got my 14 needed gemsets doing that run but honestly after that I just wanted a full set of his greens for my personal collection. I had no interest in profit on a grand scale

right..... oh you didnt want a profit?

makosi · Jan 11, 2008, 11:33 AM // 11:33

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Originally Posted by DragonRogue

Large story

I'm trying to feel sympathetic towards you because you don't seem to be greedy or exploitative but the bottom line is that a secret loophole was discovered and it was abused. No lore or quests lead me to this 'secret' shortcut because it was clearly not intended to be there.

The difference between the Duncan run and this Mallyx glitch is that the Duncan run was made public knowledge, posted on forums and there were runners ferrying people in Umbral Grotto. This makes the shortcut accessible to almost anybody. The 117 people banned for exploiting the Mallyx glitch were keeping their shortcut low-key in an attempt to take advantage of it and profit from the generous rewards for completing the 4 sub-quests and Mallyx. In comparison to ordinary quests, DoA is a monumental task and the rewards mirror that.

Angelic Upstart · Jan 11, 2008, 11:43 AM // 11:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by DragonRogue

Dear Ms Grey and all GW community members,

I am one of the Scarlet Letter Branded "117". I couldn’t tell you what a dat file is to save my life, let alone know how to write a program to hack one. Believe me or not. Many of us really didn’t think this was an exploit of this magnitude. I personally didn’t really think about it much. Like many of the other elite mishs in the game, Sorrows Furnace has 4 prequel quests but the last Final Assault is repeatable forever after. Duncan at one time was by-passable for days. And the ferry system used for me to this outpost worked EXACTLY like Urgoz and the Deep. I had never done DOA before I started doing this run. We did have to beat the 4 quests leading up to Mallyx and had to beat Mallyx the old fashioned way FIRST. Did we think the town a bit odd? Yup. Sure did. But once you enter and there is a start mission button and countdown timer to mission start, we didn’t really think much about it. Since all of the elite missions had aspects of this in one way or another one could easily look over the oddities when there were so many similarities.

With that said, we have witnessed many glitches exploited in the game by thousands of players. Duncan ferry anyone? I personally know people who made upwards of 500k in a day of doing this, not to mention those that actually did the runs over and over again to gain rare weapons, onyx, diamonds and armour of Deldrimore by scores. Did we see permanent bans for anyone ever? How about the Heart of the Shiverpeaks Dwarf-Bombing runs in under 5 minutes for days on end spammed in Party searches? How did that effect our economy with onyx, diamonds, rare skins and greens which dropped prices in a matter of hours? Who got permanently banned for that? Many of the 117 honestly didn’t think they were doing much different than that. Are we guilty of exploiting a glitch? Yup. Im the first one to admit that. How many thousands of you are guilty of it at one time or another? Did some of us seriously over-farm Mallyx? Yup. But should the ones who farmed it only for one Armbrace to buy a much wanted weapon or mini Mallyx deserve the same punishment as those who grossly over farmed it? Should it be different than those buying GW gold on eBay? I know for a fact that buying 1million gold from sites like those only warrants a 72 hour ban and you don’t even have to give it up afterward. What about dishonorable marks for the 20th time? Using racist and homophobic comments in Local Chat? Knowingly naming your toon some bad name? Has anyone ever heard of a permanent ban for any of this? We aren’t saying that we aren’t guilty of exploiting a glitch. But we are NOT guilty of Hacking. Someone might be. But all of us? Come show me that proof Ms Grey. (I live in Seattle and we can meet for coffee) Where is the sliding scale justice anywhere here for a punishment to fit the crime? Where is the equal justices ranked with the rest?

So for my part in all of this. I farmed Mallyx because I wanted enough gems for one armbrace so in turn I could buy a mini Mallyx. I, you see, am a mini pet collector. The temptation to get one easier was my weakness. Agreed. I got my 14 needed gemsets doing that run but honestly after that I just wanted a full set of his greens for my personal collection. I had no interest in profit on a grand scale. Until now I have made the hard grind for every item I’ve ever gained. I don’t like to trade, buy or sell. Takes up too much time from my playing. Look at the 23 mules on my account full of golds and greens and you will see how little I like trade chat. So please don’t accuse me of affecting the economy on a grand scale. With all the other glitches that have happened, my 14 gemsets traded for a mini pet were a pittance in comparison. I am guilty of exploiting a glitch, AGREED. But the same punishment as the ones who got 30 armbraces? I think its harsh, but then I don’t make the rules here. And, to me, it seems your company makes them up as they go. Id rather have been stripped of every item I had and all of my gold to have kept the 4k hours of title busting I have done. But too late now I guess. Not that I wouldn’t do anything to gain my account back, but really sit down with your crew and decide if the ban for ALL 117 was fair and equal. I did probably 20 runs which is more than a few, but others I know did much less and have been treated the same. I say really unfair. This is going to affect much more than the economy, you have taken the heart out of this game with your discrepancies in fair treatment.

Many of you are spouting off like you KNOW what you are talking about but in reality, only 117 of us REALLY know. Opinions are great, but before you open your mouth accusing us all of being hackers, you should know some of us. Half the time I cant even figure out how to run my Vent. As for the comments about finding "better friends" I think that an uncalled-for comment no matter my crime. I honestly believe that most of the "117" are very amazing people and I have been PROUD to call many of them friend. Most of them have always given time, effort, items and even gold to aid a fellow mate or total stranger. Seems to me more can be said for them than most of you posting at the moment. Don’t belittle the posts of friends coming to support our cause. As humans you know loyalty in the face of critisizm of this magnitude is hard to come by and not easily won. For these people to stand up for us, instead of turning their backs and joining the hoards of you throwing stones at us, is what true friendship is all about and you could all stand to learn a valuable lesson from them. We made a mistake, an err in judgment, some of us way more so than others, agreed. How totally human is that? So sit on your high and mighty horse and criticize, ridicule and hate and decide honestly if you think you are without flaws ever. And then live with the lies you tell yourself if it makes you able to sleep better at night.

To the other 115, you are what made this game great for me. Some of our friendships will be here for life. Don’t let what is said in this forum get you down. We are human, we made a mistake, and now we can never prove who we really are for the ban or make amends… but I know most of you are great. For the hacker… if there really was one…GG with as much sarcasm as can be typed. To Ms Grey and your staff... thanks for creating a game where I met such wonderful friends.

What a crock , you were happy to keep the exploit low key , but as soon as you find your ass in a sling you post a nauseous pile like this, lol, i suppose none of the 117 were farming this for profit, but to give less advantaged players weapons and gems and such, you made your bed now lie in it, i have no sympathy, at all.